From House Hacking to 300+ Rentals with Rob Chavez | The Real Estate Investing Club #33

Transcript of From House Hacking to 300+ Rentals with Rob Chavez | The Real Estate Investing Club #33

Gabriel Petersen 0:02
Hello and welcome to another episode of The Real Estate Investing club. Place investors go to learn tips, tricks and stories from other investors in the field. If you feel we provide value to you go ahead and hit that thumbs up, share whatever it may be. And if you’d like for us to cover a specific topic, let us know in the comments or reach out to us on our website. Today we have a very special guest. So buckle up and grab your pen and paper and enjoy the ride.

Unknown Speaker 0:33
And we are live. Rob, thank you for joining us today. How are you doing?

Rob Chavez 0:39
I’m doing great, man. It’s my pleasure for being here. I appreciate you. Why are you looking me up?

Gabriel Petersen 0:45
Awesome. Well, I yeah, it’s it’s a pleasure to have you on to get us started. Why don’t you tell everybody you know who you are, where you’re from and how you got started in real estate in the first place?

Rob Chavez 0:55
Sure. So I’m I’m from the Washington DC area. But a little city outside of Washington DC called Reston, Virginia. Rest in Virginia is one of the first plane communities in the country. amazingly beautiful place right right next to Dulles Airport. And, and I got started in real estate back in 1999. Right, I graduated, you know, from college in 98. I had a professor that essentially said 97. Kevin, I can’t remember now I had this professor that simply said, Hey, if you plan on being anywhere for longer than a couple years, you should consider buying a property. And my dad was in the Foreign Service. So we traveled everywhere. So I was like, Yes, I want to stay somewhere for longer than three years, right. I want to be so that’s me. I plan on being here longer than three years. And I took that advice to heart. And you know, the all the kids call it house hacking. These days but that’s what I did I bought a townhouse. I put in a couple of my friends buddies from from, you know, that I just knew from college and and they were paying the majority of my mortgage and I was like this is awesome, right like this. And so right there that kind of started the path right I read Rich Dad Poor Dad and got my mind thinking a little bit and, you know, I I was, you know, I started around that same time. Yeah, so I graduated in 97 because in 98, I started the business with my best friend of recruiting technical salespeople for technology companies. And and we were working way I found this particular townhouse was we were working out of his basement one bedroom 10 by 10 or eight by a room and and we started making some money, right and so I that that that I was like, Well, I’m gonna buy a townhouse here next to you and I found a townhouse like four doors down and bought that townhouse. And that’s how I i house hacked it. So for the first seven years of my career, I really spent recruiting building a recruiting business with my best friend. And, and during that whole time, I was buying real estate as purely just a buy and hold investor going to we, as you know, and you know, I just kind of fell in love with the whole process of finding a property that needed a little these were these were just cosmetic kind of jobs that I was finding, right. And if you during that time real estate was doing this, right, you think about, you know, 9899 2000 2001 2005 so I buy a townhouse and 2000 and a year later that townhouses worth you know $100,000 and some phasing right so, I fell in love with real estate. And, and I know five, I asked my business partner to buy me out of the recruiting business We’ve gone through boom, we’ve gone through the bus, right? 911 we grinded it back out, we grown from 13 people back, whittled it down to three people. And and I didn’t want to leave during that time. You know, real estate was doing well, but I didn’t want to leave during that time. And when the business got stabilized, I was like, let’s figure something out. My heart’s in real estate. I don’t know what I’m gonna do in real estate. I think I want to just go be an apartment building owner. But I’m burnt out of this business. And so buy me out. So he bought me out. And that was in Oh, five. So the summer oh five. And I knew that we were going to go through some kind of real estate recession. Not because I understood how to read the numbers, but because I’d gone through the rational exuberance before and I knew what I felt like right during boom, we’ve gone through that as recruiters. So I knew it felt the same way. So I figured we’ll you know, I told my wife listen I’m leaving this high six figure business that were made, you know that. And, you know, we just had a little baby girl. And I’m, like, I know we’re gonna go through some kind of recession. But if we can figure this out, we’re going to come out of the other side, well positioned. So that was the initial plan, right? That was a plan. And it you know, for the most part, it kind of worked out that way. Right. I sold some of the assets that we had owned, which I now regret selling, by the way, create a little nest egg before Oh, five. And at the time, when the market crashed, it was a garment genius. I sold these properties, you know, when they peeked in, Oh, 405.

But you look back now and you’re like, Man, I wish I’d kept those assets. I wish I’d found a different way to make them, you know, my money work. And so, um, so then yeah, from the journey from 205 to 2009 was purely purely as a full time real estate investor. Right. That’s, that’s all We did. But I picked up. And by the way, you can cut me off at any point and ask a question. Keep going, you know, but I picked up this little book

written by Gary Keller called the millionaire real estate agent book. It’s my favorite book.

And when I, when I open the book, I realized it’s a business book. It’s not a book about being a real estate agent. It’s a book about being a business owner. And I was like, these agents can net a million dollars a year running, you know, an agent team, like, how is that you break down the numbers and the, you know, the whole thing. And what I lacked as an investor was a system in a process a model, I didn’t have a model. I was operating on pure hustle. That’s it right. A lot of people get started right. And and making mistakes and figuring it out. And and I really craved a model, right? My wife and I were, you know, we’re buying about 20 homes a year renovating those homes and Then selling them to investors turnkey as rentals to go in the sub market from where we live. Can’t do where we live here. This was two hours away from where we live. And then we were managing the assets for those people. And before we knew it, we had 300 properties under management hours away from where we lived in a, you know, cute little town called Cumberland, Maryland. But it’s, you know, it’s a it’s a dying town, right. And the average rent like the average rent in our area is like 20 $700 a month in Cumberland, Maryland. It’s $600 a month, right? And so I learned what that world look like in kind of like a lower price point. Low dollar market. And yeah, man, we I mean, but the learning that occurred during that time was ridiculous. I mean, I’d learned so much right how to raise capital and owner finance. fields subject, choose lease options and you know, wholesaling and, and so

Gabriel Petersen 8:09
I’m gonna jump in real quick because there’s a lot to unpack there. It’s I mean, you’ve got it sounds like you’ve got a ton of wisdom and I really want to, you know, dive into it. But just to recap, just real, you know, broad strokes here. So you got started in 1999. You were you started a recruiting business with your friend. You know, you ran that for a little while, and then you decided to buy a townhouse just right next door, got you your first taste of real estate, you know, over time from 1999 to 2005. You kept on to the real estate thing. You know, over time, it started to work on you. You got you know, loved it a little bit more, a little bit more 2005 came, you said, You know what, it’s time to cut ties, Real Estate’s really what I like, recruiting, I’m gonna have to leave you and so you put all of your focus into Real Estate from 2005 2009, you were an investor, but you didn’t really have a model. Although from the sound of it, you did have a model you were It sounds like you were fixing, flipping, selling and then operating as a property management company, which is true. I

Rob Chavez 9:15
mean, that was our model. We didn’t have a great financial model. Let me clarify that right. That gotcha. Okay.

Gabriel Petersen 9:22
So, so that does that that takes us up to today, correct you Is that what you do today? Or you will tell us what are you out, you know, in the present day?

Rob Chavez 9:31
Yeah. So what we did was we kind of pivoted, what I realized was that, you know, whether you’re wholesaling or rehabbing or you’re on construction, you know, it’s all or, you know, developer builder. It’s all, you know, earned income. It’s on that earned income side of the quadrant. And really, I’d started this path to be on the other side, right on the passive income side of the of the quadrant and I realized that my personality might lend itself better. I wasn’t a project manager type, right? I was more of a sales and marketing guy. And, and so my personality lends itself better. And I have a ton of relationships, lots of people like, like I big, big network, to being able to help broker deals in my local market, right in my local market average price points pretty, pretty good. And so I said, Well, why don’t I Why don’t I get my license? And instead of selling, you know, renovating 20 homes a year in this, you know, little town where the price, the average Reto profit might be like 20 grand, right? What if I sell 20 homes a year? So it’s all earned income, right? At that point, I reduced the risk and the average commission is like 13 $14,000 a year I just do, I just do that. And we take that money, and we buy one or two assets a year continue to build our portfolio. Yeah, right. And so that that’s what, that’s how that’s how our model evolves to like 20 homes turned into 40 homes turned into 80 homes turned into 100 turned into 200 turned into 300 homes. So we just started really scaling and building that agent business and then taking that cash flow from that business. And then you’ve got decisions, right? I am either going to reinvest it back into this business invested in the person putting myself directed IRA by another asset. So we, you know, we would buy some assets, invest in our self directed IRA and I just transitioned the business to be more of an agent team business, right, versus total fix and flip and rehab it business and wholesaling. And while building our family’s portfolio, right, and, you know, since then we have an offshoot that does investments, we have an offshoot that hasn’t we have a construction division. So my experience before provided opportunity for other team members, other people in my world to be able to set those businesses up that I have a percentage ownership in. Right. I don’t run them. Interesting.

Gabriel Petersen 12:13
Right. Yeah. So you kind of operate it as a franchise almost.

Rob Chavez 12:17
Yeah. I mean, we you know, it’s not a franchise I just own profit and those I mean, I own percentages in those businesses.

Gabriel Petersen 12:25
Right. And but it’s there they are operating your your business model,

Rob Chavez 12:29
correct? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Gabriel Petersen 12:31
Very cool. So, so you have the brokerage side of things and arts are you just wholesaling? Are you a licensed agent being you know, brokering?

Rob Chavez 12:41
No, the majority of that is all brokering really, yeah, all brokering that’s all on the brokerage side. So as an agent running a team, in now, over 3 million in GCI as an agent, right? Because wholesaling in being an agent is really the same thing. Same when you really like peel back the onion and have people kind of understand you’re essentially controlling real estate, one with a contract, the other one with a listing agreement, same business, you’re just marketing the two different types of people. Right? That’s interesting. And so I’ve, you know, I realized that if I control the real estate with a listing agreement, which by the way, most people understand that right in the markets, not looking for a needle in the haystack that I could control distressed assets, pre foreclosures, short sales, right, Oreos with these listing agreements. And, and again, that was just the control to create income from active income, your cash flow, so that I can then invest in what really creates longer term wealth, which is buying and owning assets and paying those assets off over time. Right. And so today Go back. Right? What? I think just what a blessing sometimes like. Some of these things are in 2008. Right when I looked up and I said, You know why? Because we weren’t doing all that well in the renovating business, right? What happened was, we would buy these houses, I would make money on it. And then I would take the cash that I had made. And then I would go buy another house. I felt like I was constantly snowballing the money down the road, because nobody kind of showed me how to run it with buckets and all the financial knowledge that has to come with it, right. I wasn’t paying myself properly. I was like, I turned out like, are we making money? I don’t know. We’re buying property. No, that’s 140 on that one. But we were just taking the money and buying more assets right instead of taking money off the table and also so there was so much financial education. By the way, I’m a big proponent of having people understand the numbers. behind how to run those businesses that you could scale them. And that you know, so when I looked up, I’m like, Listen, I don’t like managing contractors I don’t like, I don’t like the risk associated with it. The brokering reminded me very much of being a recruiter fee for service. I close the deal, I get paid money, right. And I could continue like so I, I understood that business because I’ve done that business before. And I understood the buy and hold business because I’ve been buying and holding that whole time. So I just kind of play the my strengths. I think every investor needs to look at, you know, what are their own individual strengths like my business partner on the investment side. He’s super analytical. He’s a project manager personality. He loves the art of renovating the property right? After a while. It just, it was just a widget to me. Right? It was like, it wasn’t about the art of doing it. It was just it was converting it to cash right. And then I just said, Okay, well, I’m, I’m, I’m going to convert the cash on the agent side of the business and, and so but the go back in 2008, right, we had this whole implosion that happened in our local area. Everything was like a foreclosure or short sale. And because I had, I had been buying and going through this process, two hours away from where I lived, I was very comfortable with that process. And, you know, in 2008, nobody was lending money to a recently self employed real estate investor. But I had a friend of mine that had a lot of cash, and I just happened to mention to him, you know, these properties peaked at like 300. These townhomes, we can pick them up now for like a buck 50 a buck 20 buck 10 like I’m seeing, and the rents are like 1500 dollars a month. And I went in and I can’t remember the last time that this happened. And so he said, Well, if you find them if You fix them, if you put tenants into them, if you manage the asset, it’s all stuff that I’ve done before. I’ll fund the entire process. And now everybody calls this burning, right? Like, you know, if cash, right then you fix it up and then you get it reappraised. And

Gabriel Petersen 17:16
no one heard it from Rob first. He’s the one who invented it.

Rob Chavez 17:19
Yeah, I didn’t invent. I mean, it’s been around forever. But we just did that in 2008. That was the way to do more deals, right. And so, so I’m blessed because we still have a portfolio of properties that we bought. But you know, from that time, that will be paid off in the next few years. And it’s just such a powerful, such a powerful tool, right? to,

you know, build your wealth.

Gabriel Petersen 17:45
We’ve had, we’ve had a few people on the show who focused entirely on the bur strategy, and it’s definitely something that I mean, everybody should consider if they’re on the, the smaller unit end of the spectrum, although I suppose the same thing applies. Just different words are used for for large multifamily properties. So that’s awesome. So you’re running a brokerage, and that is your active side of the income scale, where you’re you’re basically, you’re, I mean, it’s a brokerage, you’re, you’re selling

Rob Chavez 18:16
real estate, we’re with kw, so we run a large team within kW.

Gabriel Petersen 18:20
Gotcha. Okay. And then on the other side of the scale on the other side of the of your business, you are buying long term holds. And so you’re you’re buying out or using multi families or single families that you’re focused on.

Rob Chavez 18:32
So we have some multi small multi like seven unit, three years, two units, and then the majority of them are all townhomes.

Unknown Speaker 18:39
Right. townhomes okay. I guess that makes sense for the DC area.

Rob Chavez 18:45
Yeah. Yeah. We like tight townhomes. They’re just they’re simple, right, the little boxes. They’re in high demand. We’re in a very affluent area. So price points matter to make the Be able to make the numbers work. Right.

Gotcha. You got to find what works in your market and then work it. Absolutely.

Gabriel Petersen 19:09
So and I also understand that you run a very large networking, a network in DC called grid. Can you expand on that a little bit?

Rob Chavez 19:18
Yeah. So grid investor is essentially was my, my first way of really building we I believe that really your net worth is in direct proportion to your, the size of your network, right? We believe that your network matters as you’re building wealth and doing deals and right, the bigger the bigger your list is, right? The more opportunity there is in that list, no different if you’re doing content or being a wholesaler, right or being an agent. So one of the ways I wanted to build my list in the beginning was getting the relationship with people that you know, that I liked, and the people that I liked, were typically small business owners. In particular real estate investors, right? That was my tribe, I, we spoke the same language. Um, you know, I’ve been on that journey, we’re on a journey together, you know, the wholesaler needs a rehab or the rehab or need some lender, right? agents need to rehab or so, you know, there’s this, this this tribe that we call that all works together in competition, right, you all kind of need each other. And I just decided that I had some experience to share, you know, because over the last four years prior from Oh, 509, right, I just actively been buying and selling and doing well and making mistakes. I figured I had something to teach right? When it came to real estate investing, and I wanted to build my audience. And so I started hosting an event where, you know, first it was five people than it then 10 People came and 20 and 40 I mean have 100 person standing remotely in the room. And, and all while I’m developing relationships with these people, right? And then I’m doing deals with these people and they’re giving me listings and they’re giving me buyers and, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m loaning them money for myself directed IRA, and they’re lending me money. And I’m like, this is super awesome. It became a lead generation pillar for my business, right? And then, a couple years into it, I had some of the members say to me, Hey, this is awesome. But can you host this at XYZ location? And I was like, I listen, I’m busy running a business and like, I don’t have time, right? And they’re like, well, what if you license the rights to me to do it the way you do it, right? And, and I run it. And I at first I push back on two different people. And then finally I’m like, Okay, let me let me look into this. How would we do that? This, and we looked at like the CrossFit model, you know, where you you do licensing and we said, okay, well, let’s, let’s try that. Let’s license our curriculum. Let’s license the way we do it. And let’s set one up like 40 minutes down the road, right? And, and then, you know, back grew to several thousand people, and it became very successful. And then we said, well, let’s do it again. And then we just kept doing that. And so we have 10 chapters in the DMV area. And we are you know, we’re going to expand it we’ve got people in toxin, California right now in Florida. So now that we know that this is a legit, I’ve always it’s always been a pet project. Now that I know that this is a legitimate, hey, I can put this in 300 locations all across the country. You know, we’ll go down that route at some point, right. But if you got a great investor, you could see what what it’s all about. Yeah. Absolutely I’ve never heard of anybody form for an agent or a wholesaler or even a hard money lender, right like the I have the largest hard money lender in the on the East Coast that runs our fault church location.

And so it’s been a it’s been great for us.

Gabriel Petersen 23:20
Yeah, absolutely. I’ve I’ve never heard of someone, essentially, yeah, licensing their, their meetup. And that’s a that’s a really unique concept, especially if you’ve had so much success with it. It sounds like you guys know what you’re doing. You found a model that works in every location that you sent it out to. So that’s a it’s only logical. On that note. I mean, a lot of people listening watching they, they, they do want to know how to network. I mean, everybody knows that real estate is first and foremost a relationship business. And networking is one of the most important things that you can do. So for those of the for everybody watching and listening, if they wanted to get started, maybe hosting their own meetup. What Are some of the, you know, top three pieces of advice you would give them for getting started?

Rob Chavez 24:06
So they’re going to host around. So I’ll give you advice for if they’re gonna host their own and what they should do if they’re just networking, right? Those are different. So if they’re going to host their own, they need to think about content well in advance, right? So, you know, I set out an agenda and said, okay, January, we’re going to talk about this February, it’s going to be this, you know, March is going to be this. And we made it so that the curriculum built on itself, so that at the end of the year, you had what the full lifecycle of what a real estate investors life would look like, right? And you have to be consistent. You have to have the same time the same day and you never miss we’ve never missed one in 13 years. Right? You think that just been consistent the whole time, right? So people learn to rely on that and then you have to do Man, you got to be the go giver, you got to give lots of content that you got to help people build their world through your experiences, right. And, and so that means that you actually have to have some content to be able to give, right? Or you need to bring people in that have the content to give and you could facilitate it. But people are into stories. And people learn through sharing of experiences. And so, you know, I look for somebody that has the ability to tell a story, right? And, and can lead a room because you really what you’re doing is you’re building your leadership skill set when you do that. So that’s what it looks like if you’re going to lead one of those consistency, content creation well in advance, right. And be a leader like income from Can’t you know, be a go giver. A great book is be a growth giver. If you are, if you’re networking in a room, I always tell the story of how many people walk into a room right going collect business. cards, and then like, put them on the desk, you know, you just look at these things, they’re still right. And then never do anything with them ever again, right? I’m like, you might as well just stay at home, right? You need to take this and somehow figure out a way to get it into your system, or you use technology like you find people on Instagram, follow them on Instagram, you know, data, like building having a CRM is important. But today, Facebook and Instagram is a national CRM, it is a CRM, but it won’t do everything that a high powered CRM, customer relationship management software will do. Right? But it it will, you know, it’s a start. And so you need to build a list. So if you’re going to go out there and you’re going to network, I’m going to spend time away from your family. You need to build that list because I’ve got it down. Now. Every time I put somebody in my database, I’ve earned a future $500 right. I just know that I’ve earned a future $500 And so, but you need then have systems to be able to touch that database over time in order to do that. So when you’re networking, right, what you want to be able to do is not just collect cards, you need to make connections, you target the people that you want in the room that you want to connect with. And then you invite them out for cups of coffee after the fact, right? And I told everybody, I built my business one coffee at a time, taking people out, learning about them, caring about them, putting them into my CRM, talking to them on a monthly quarterly basis, right, inviting them to events. And time on task over time rewards you with that, right? It’s just a basic system. So and you know, people want to people want to share you get a lot of people that spend a lot of money. And I believe in education like you should go spend money to go learn from people on how to do stuff. cuts, it cuts your timeframe, you know, from years, two months, but people you can learn a lot over a cup of coffee, right? You can buy somebody a cup of coffee and lunch and get a hell of an education by just doing that, right. And you build relationships and you end up doing deals with those people, which is more valuable than the actual knowledge itself. Right? I mean, knowledge is the most valuable, but those relationships are amazing.

Gabriel Petersen 28:27
Absolutely. I mean, it always does. It comes back to relationships, you said it yourself. One thing that I really liked that you said when you’re talking about networking is to make sure that you’re touching them over time and that you’re not just grabbing their their card, you’re after the after the actual meeting, you’re asking them to go to grab a cup of coffee, you’re just checking in with them, putting them in your CRM, it can’t stop at the at the meeting you have to the point of networking is to develop relationships and that can only take place over an extended period of time with multiple touchpoints

Rob Chavez 28:58
Well, the biggest thing is, you know, when you think about branding, you can only hold two or three brands in your mind at any point in time. Right? And so, if you’re a wholesaler, if you’re a rehabber, if you’re an agent know that people are constantly being bombarded, right with information from other wholesalers, other rehabbers other agents. So in order to occupy somebody’s brain space, they need to see you more than they see the other person. And they need and so you have to figure out a way to get in front of them without being too annoying, right, providing value. So that you can occupy that spray that that space in their brain, you know, and so, RM helps you do that.

Gabriel Petersen 29:50
Yep. And I remember one of the, in one of the marketing classes I took that one of the stats that kind of just stuck out at me was you have to shoot I’m gonna butcher this You have to get in front of people seven times before it enters their consciousness essentially before they can remember you. So that’s absolutely true. Over time, you have to be interacting with these people. So you know, we are getting to the end of our show here. Before we go though, I do want to know just a little bit about what makes you what you feel makes you the most successful. So if you were to go back to the Rob, who started out back in, you know, 1999, you bought your first townhouse. If you were to go back to him and say, Hey, Rob, do this. This is the one piece of advice I’m giving to you going forward. What is that piece of advice you’d give yourself?

Unknown Speaker 30:36
Oh, man,

Rob Chavez 30:39
buy as much as you can. Early, right. Um, so a couple things come to mind. Number one,

find somebody that’s already done what you’ve done and and see if you could be mentored by them. Right because the learning kind of gets really fast. She actually Somehow, you can just do something for them, be connected with them. So there’s somebody out there that owns 100, or thousand units, or whatever it is, do whatever you can mop floors clean that, like, you’re out, right? Get Connected so that you can learn, right? So I would tell the young Rob, get connected to somebody who’s already incredibly successful, we’ll get a coach early on to help you build what you want to build. The other thing is you need to understand what you want to build, right? So try to get clarity on that.

And you can ask yourself some questions like,

you know, who do I know that that is living the life or the lifestyle or the you know, the real lifestyle? Has the real bank account has the real p&l right, that I want to be connected with, you know, you see a lot of flash out there. It’s like, show me your p&l Show me right. And so so and I would never sell anything, right. When I talk to other investors. I think the number one Regret a lot of investors have is those assets that they owned, you know, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, they only kept that thing, right. So I would have sold less, right? I would have figured out another way to raise the money or the capital. And, you know, just take action. I think the biggest thing is people get frozen a lot of times and just keep taking action, keep learning, keep failing forward. You know, and, you know, the piece that’s not talked about enough in our business is to get real financial training, right? On your p&l, how to run a business, so many people are like, I’m going to start a business and have no understanding of cost of goods sold and expenses and what profit margins they should have. So you need to build a Performa and understand what that performance going to look like. Understand what the p&l is going to look like. There’s Not enough discussion in our industry about that there’s a lot of just go do a deal. Okay, once you do a deal, what do you do with the money? Right? That that’s an important piece, right? Can’t put all in your pocket, because you’re in business with Uncle Sam. Right? You got to understand you’re in business with Uncle Sam. And, by the way, your business with your business, your business needs to have fuel. So you need to understand those numbers. So I would have said get an earlier education on financial training.

Gabriel Petersen 33:32
Absolutely. I mean, that is super important. I mean, I know I made that mistake. One my first couple of flips, just, you know, taking the money and running and then realizing crap, I gotta give capital gains.

Rob Chavez 33:44
I got taxes. I got a business. I got marketing expenses. Yeah, yeah.

Gabriel Petersen 33:49
Absolutely. I love it. Well, Rob, we are at the end here. You have given us so much in terms of the wisdom that you’ve shared with us, but everybody needs things that we all want need to receive. as well. So if someone were to bring you something, what would you want to receive?

Rob Chavez 34:08
somebody were to bring me something, what would I want to receive? Do you want deals? Or holes?

You know, I think the biggest thing is become part of our network. We’re going to scale and we’re going to make it a global network, not a national, it’ll be a global network. Our our distribution system will will go through the different brokerages that are out there. And, and I’m looking for investor agents. So people that might be licensed, but think like a business person and think like an investor simply I’m looking for somebody like me and other markets, because I want to develop relationships with them because they could be somebody that that sets up a future grid platform for us in another market. Right. So That would be the way.

Gabriel Petersen 35:01
Awesome. All right. And if somebody did want to get in contact with you, what would be the best way to do that?

Rob Chavez 35:07
Sure, they can email me, Rob at the caza group comm or find me, you know, on Instagram, Rob Chavez, you’ll find me there. I’m the only Rob Chavez that I know of.

Gabriel Petersen 35:21
Perfect, or Rob, thank you again for coming on. I can see I know I can speak for everybody that I we appreciate the wisdom that you shared. For everybody who wants to get in contact with Rob, check him out on Instagram, or I will put his LinkedIn URL in the shownotes as well. Other than that, thank you for coming on. And we look forward to seeing everybody else on the next episode.

Rob Chavez 35:43
Gabe, thanks, man. Take care.

Gabriel Petersen 35:48
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