From Corporate To Real Estate Entrepreneur with Atif Qadir | The Real Estate Investing Club #36
Gabriel Petersen 0:02
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And we are live artists. Thank you very much for coming on the show today. How you doing? Awesome. How are you again? I’m doing fantastic. To get us started. Why don’t you tell everybody you know who you are, where you’re from and how you got started in real estate in the first place.
Atif Qadir 0:50
Sure, awesome. So my name is Altis. I’m from the great state of New Jersey. And I’m a real estate developer and I also have a prop tech startup and the way that I got started is I’m a licensed architect. So use that to transition to development. I worked in corporate America for about 15 years, and then decided to make the leap to work for myself three years ago.
Gabriel Petersen 1:13
Wow, that is awesome. I love it. And you I mean, you seem relatively young for being a developer. Usually people jump into the development field later in life. But sounds like you had a good starting you were you were in art, or you were an architect. Sounds like you even work in corporate doing architecture work. Didn’t really float your boat. So you decided to jump out of there, start your own entrepreneurial gig. You started in development. And since then, you’ve been developing projects as well as doing your own startup in Redis. Is that correct?
Atif Qadir 1:45
That’s it. Yeah, I think I have the benefit of having really good genes. So probably forever looking young. I actually get carded still. But I’ll just take I’ll take what I can get. I think that’s the theme in myself.
Unknown Speaker 1:56
I love it. I love it. Yeah, for sure.
Atif Qadir 1:58
That’s it. I think for me the the in corporate was I did start for working for a great architecture firm in New York, and then switched over to working for Turner construction. So huge construction management company on the went to business school after I got licensed as an architect, and worked for a large developer in New York. And so I had the opportunity to see the industry for many, many different professional angles. And then when I switched over to start my own business, it was such an amazing path because I this, I thought that everything I’ve had gathered over those 10 years, would make me like ready to go right from the starting line and go win the whole race. And I literally just kind of fell over face first, because working as an employee on a billion dollar project is not the same thing as being the principal of a $5 million project that is completely and utterly different. So it is basically like I like to call it my third professional degree that I got was actually starting my own business like the school of hard knocks. That’s that.
Gabriel Petersen 2:58
I love it. Actually, I want to talk A little bit more into that because um, you know, a lot of people that listen to this podcast they they have considered, you know, maybe they’re not doing it yet real estate investing still their side gig but they thought about jumping in starting their own business so kind of tell us, you know, take us to when you were in corporate, you’re still an architect and you’re you’re you’re living that life and you’re thinking about it and then you jumped on so tell us how that process worked. You know, what were the big hurdles that you had to overcome? And and how did you come out come out on the other side?
Atif Qadir 3:32
Sure. I think for me, the The reality is that being in a competitive New York City real estate world, when you’re at a really prestigious firms over textile development, they’re one of the best known in New York City. The reality there, really at many firms is that if you’re not a family member, there’s going to be a limit to how far that you can go. And my my all of my boss’s daughters are already married, so that wasn’t really an angle for me to kind of work. So I just saw the writing on the wall. I knew I knew what was coming. So for me, I had opportunity to work on eight amazing development projects 40 acquisitions all across the country. But I knew that my ability to make decisions and drive the investment thesis was rather limited. So what I at that same time I was deciding to buy my own home. So I bought a my condo that I live in in Hoboken. And I saw just in a short amount of time that I had owned it, how much it increased in value. And I thought that there had to be some something to start looking around where I lived for opportunities. So while while work in Excel on the weekends, weekend, warrior style, I just went to a ton of open houses. I literally walked up and down the main street in Hoboken. It’s called Washington Street and met every brokerage and said, Hey, my name is out there. I work at Excel development. I’m looking to buy some investment condos. Just tell me what’s up. So basically on Everyone exactly hit the streets and then after all just started buying individual investment condos. And then probably the biggest kind of pivot was I found this article in the Wall Street Journal about first generation immigrant family like my own three brothers. I started a development company in New York they’re called a meanie group, and really awesome glowing article about them and then being a part of the renaissance in Newark, New Jersey. And I literally wrote him a postcard saying, Hey, I don’t need a job or anything I have a job. But I just want to say you guys are really cool. I saw your article and if it could be friends that would be awesome. And then they literally put my name is crazy me but I put my phone number my email on it. And they literally called me the day they got there like we have never gotten something like this before. You should totally come and meet us. So I just took the train out to meet them in New York metaphor pizza and they’re like, Hey, you like when you find deal? Just come like come pitch them to us. Just like as practice. So calm and then like after a couple months, I found five For Park Avenue, which was my first development project, and they said this tool actually makes makes sense. And then I was like, wait, you want to do it? Like, yeah, let’s do it. And then really, you should probably quit your day job. Okay, let’s do. That was kind of the basic thought process of the whole thing.
Gabriel Petersen 6:19
Nice, nice is almost happenstance. So it sounds like you I mean, you’ve your first foray into investing was actually on the buy and hold side, you’re buying condos? Is that right?
Atif Qadir 6:30
Yeah. So my thesis overall, is when you’re in an extremely expensive market, like northern Jersey, where there is a not a significant amount of risk because we’re on the doorstep of New York City. It’s like literally four minutes subway ride or eight minute ferry across. It in many ways is a foolish idea to buy and flip unless there’s certain things so I would say if you’re able to buy at a good time Price. And there is a potential to develop like this project that I’m working on now and develop and sell as condos, yes, then a buy and flip makes sense. But generally speaking in expensive markets that have an upside to them, you’re going to want to buy and hold to really make some value
Gabriel Petersen 7:15
out, you’re right, because you want to take, you want to get the appreciation over time, you’re not looking to get that lump sum of cash, which you can get in any market, but it’s just not as worth it in those really expensive markets where the appreciation is going to have a huge, huge upside for you over the years. Awesome. So condos, you did some buy and holds, you’re renting them out. Do you still on those today?
Atif Qadir 7:38
Yes. So the investment portfolio that I have, which are the smaller condos I started purchasing a few years ago, they performed really well. They’ve increased in value. I was just checking your numbers yesterday, about 30% over the past three years. So that’s your jersey, that that’s not jersey numbers. That’s Texas numbers or Florida numbers. So I think a lot of It’s about finding, finding value. And no matter what people say about technology really disrupting our industry. Yes. 100% I went to MIT. So yes, I agree. Technology is disrupting everything. But I think when it comes to real estate and finding deals like those that actually pencil out, it’s about knowing everybody, knowing every block, and knowing how to actually move the cheese and get the whole thing done. And that’s all relationships, you can never replace that stuff. So that’s, I think, the really the secret of this, the buy and hold portfolio.
Gabriel Petersen 8:31
Absolutely. And you are, let’s see, we’re on episode number. We’re recording Episode Number 38 or 39 right now. And I think you’re the 38th of the 39th Person person who said, relationships are the absolute core of real estate. There’s nothing that surprises it. So I love it. I love it relationships. It’s how you move forward in this industry. It’s how you get deals. It’s how you enjoy it to be honest them. So great advice. Let’s move a little bit further here. We’ve kind of you’ve we’ve come with you, we figured out how you got to where you are. So now tell us about your business right now. the nuts and bolts of it you’re doing development work on sounds like you got a project on 512 Park Avenue in Hoboken. So kind of tell us tell us about that.
Atif Qadir 9:18
Sure. So my approach, it’s
being very light from a burn perspective. So I don’t have any employees. I occasionally have interns, but that’s pretty much it. Everything I do through partnerships or outsourcing. So I really don’t have an office, I work from home. So the overhead is absolutely low. And it’s really just focused on finding really good deals. So the key piece of this, so I would say to get started and leaving corporate, whether you’re in your 20s or your 30s or 40s, whatever age you’re in, it really boils down to a few very key things you have to have in place. I think number one is that you have to have an incredible expertise in the particular a market that you’re working in so to be the king of Hoboken, or the queen of Jersey City like something like that, to know everything about it, like what I did is kind of look unusual. But I actually read a bunch of history books of Hoboken and Jersey City. I went to the Historical Society, got their maps, and I started doing walking tours of Hoboken and jersey with my potential investors. And I started then I actually got I bought a car became an adult, I started doing it by car. And people love that they love that a lot. So I think being the expert in your markets, the first really important thing to build a deck to getting where I am right now having multiple projects, I think the second one is being really competent in the actual task of being a developer, which involves knowing enough about architecture and design, knowing enough about construction, knowing enough about finance and knowing enough about the approvals and the municipal process to know each of those. The good thing is, besides the things that I mentioned before, I’m also a city planning Commissioner in Hoboken. So I understand And how that whole process works, too. So that I think is the second piece and the third piece of the puzzle to get around now, it’s having people that will actually invest in you. So I mean, like, sure there’s all these great ideas of real estate funds and crowdfunding and all this other stuff. But honestly, I can tell you again and again, from friends that have started their own firms, it’s always gonna be your mom, your dad, your brother, and your sister, your college buddy, your grad school friend, those the ones that are going to invest to you, so be nice to all of those people. So that’s a little process that got me got me to portfolio to five to park and the other active projects.
Gabriel Petersen 11:35
I love it. And that’s funny you said that because my parents were the first ones that invested in my my deals as well. So you’re 100% right on that one. Awesome. So you mentioned a few things there. I mean, you’re the Commissioner of the sorry, say that again, Commissioner of
Atif Qadir 11:52
I city planning commissioner and
Gabriel Petersen 11:54
city planning Commissioner which permits are especially when in development. I haven’t done a lot of development. myself actually I’ve done zero development, I’ve done flips, but I’ve never, you know, gone from the ground up. Even in the flip world permits suck. Having to pull permits, it’s one of those deals dead. So, I mean, you are you sit on the on the council, so kind of tell us give us a little bit of advice. I know every municipality is going to be different. Yeah. But when someone is considering doing a development project, what are the pieces of advice you can give for getting your projects permitted?
Atif Qadir 12:33
So I think the really important thing is if you’re getting started, just do your first couple as a JV with someone that’s done it before that, I think is number one. So that one unique group, the one that I met because of my crazy postcard, they were there. They are my JV partner. They’ve been doing this for 10 or 15 years. So there’s a level of legitimacy that you get when you’re going in front of any kind of governing authority that way, but I would say beyond that. Do not Not go for a variance or do not try to get anything special early on for your first projects, just do it by the book, do it. Like in compliance with existing zoning code planning code, we’re really all you need, at least in the markets I’m familiar with is a zoning officer who’s an employee of the of the city will do a sign off to make sure you’re in compliance, then you go right to the building department. If you’re trying to do an extra floor if you’re trying to do a higher lot coverage, which are like the two big asks in urban markets in New Jersey, you’re going to go easily six months to a year in this whole process, and that can kill your deal right there. So just go as of right just do it Don’t be a superhero. Just do it and get it done and then move on. That’s actually the first couple.
Gabriel Petersen 13:47
I like it. So if you if you don’t have a ton of experience, which most people you know getting into development, don’t. You’re saying just go by the book. Don’t change anything. Don’t try to make you know, don’t try to change codes. Don’t try to do anything outside of what is already permitted. In the area, sticking out in the dotted lines and everything, hopefully crossing fingers would go well.
Atif Qadir 14:06
And I’d say what you what you’re going to notice during
I think over the past year or two, there’s been a greater and greater desire to make these processes more transparent than they were before. So let me give an example. So the New Jersey State Assembly just passed regulations that are recommending and potentially forcing all 554 municipalities in the state of New Jersey, that’s already a crazy idea that this whole process is broken to 554 chunks, to force them all to do all of their building application processes, get this online, and make all their inspections scheduled online as well. So I think when you’re able to start doing those things, this is gonna make your process easier, but you’re finding certain municipalities like Hoboken is ahead of the like a hell of a bunch of doing that. If I were a like a developer getting started, I would start sniffing out the neighborhoods in the city. He’s around me where they’re a little bit ahead of the game with that stuff. Because what that translates to is your 12 month development period just became nine months. And that’s money. That is money right there.
Gabriel Petersen 15:10
Yeah, I like it. Well, that that would be I mean, that’d be a big change. I know that I’m in King County in Seattle. And I know they are they’ve been trying to streamline their stuff online for a while. I haven’t gone through their permitting department at all, but I’m sure that they’re, you know, pushing that as well. So it’s good to see here that a New Jersey is doing the same thing. Hopefully everybody gets there. I’ve, I’ve worked in municipalities, I’m buying a mobile home park out in George Washington, which is in the middle of nowhere. And there, they don’t even have their GIS online. So hopefully, hopefully we all get there someday.
Atif Qadir 15:47
And you know, honestly, I think that COVID is the huge kick in the pants that everyone in our industry needed, that this whole relationship based approach does not have to be high touch. And I think that translating that to something that is more smooth and less onerous is such a reflection of the perspectives of millennials and Gen Z’s. Because in the react like the whole idea is that if you’re applying for a permit, and you’re trying to build in a city, you are the customer. And the city is supposed to treat you like a customer, not as a beggar coming to their door. And I think that there’s this generational change that has to happen, because we’re not having it millennials aren’t having it. So like if that’s the case, I’m just moving my money somewhere else and investing somewhere else.
Gabriel Petersen 16:33
I love it. relationships do not have to be high touch I like that. Or a relationship business essentially. That’s a good quote. I’m gonna put that on the in the in the Notes for this episode. Okay. Okay, so we’ve heard a bit about your business about your about your development work out there in Hoboken. You also have done prop tech, you’re building out a software tool in the property in the area. real estate industry so kind of tell us about Redis. What does it do? And what what was your? What was your motivation going into this?
Atif Qadir 17:07
Sure. So Redis is focused on making it easy for developers like me, investors and brokers to discover, understand apply for and finance the incentives that exist out there. So it’s totally mind blowing. There’s 100 billion dollars of taxpayer money that is distributed through incentives every single year. Every year at the federal the state and the local level. There’s free money that’s given out to develop. But this this in lies. The whole problem is most people don’t know about it, because the information isn’t easily access. It’s often hard to find answers municipalities that I’ve that I’ve been to, they won’t give it to you unless you drive drive there and get it from them. And I think this this whole kind of cobbled together fragmented world is just, it’s insane because it’s your taxpayer money. It’s my taxpayer money. So there has to be a better way to do this. So the real kind of thing that made me realize this is when I worked at XL development, I worked on one huge project in the Bronx, a 20 acre site for an affordable housing and affordable housing city. And as I was getting started, I asked the head of development for for our company if there was like a template or a performer or a guide to get started, about learning about all the incentives that we needed to use in order to make this development project actually work. And he said, Nope, that’s why we hired you out there. So it was like yay, good job out there. But then I was like, This is nuts. So when I talk to my friends at transpire related all like the who’s who, development firms, everyone does it the same way. They start from scratch with their in house hires that are what 200,000 all in basic comp your bonus and everything. from scratch, every deal, every hire every company, the same thing. And when I started my own firm, and these are projects that it’s like new market tax credits, low income housing tax credits, historic tax credits, small, medium sized firms like mine will never pursue those because of the huge amount of legal overhead to have a lawyer to pursue those for you. And what that means is that the people that actually get to use all this money are the ones that either have an army of analysts to do it for them, or an army of lawyers to them. And that was never the intent of these incentives to begin with. So I think that that whole experience has got is got is what encouraged me to build something better. So what Redux is it’s a b2b SaaS platform for developers, investors and brokers to discover, understand access. All these incentives were preceded by pre revenue. We have 34 companies using the product we raise about $300,000 now is seven people read Columbia startup lab. We’re now part of battery capitals accelerator is Well, which apparently I’ve heard, like those types of accelerators for VC in New York are harder to get into than Harvard based on like the number of like applications and things they get. Wow. But that’s, that’s what retest it. So we should be going to market publicly next January, and we’re doing a soft launch. labored it.
Gabriel Petersen 20:20
Awesome. So let me just recap everything you just said, for the people listening just in case they want to get in on retest. So this app is going to be used from for developers only or is it? Is it people doing just anybody in construction? Or who’s who’s the end customer that’ll be benefiting from these? These?
Unknown Speaker 20:42
Forget the word use for it.
Gabriel Petersen 20:44
Well, no, the for the benefits that are big. incentives. There we go. Yep.
Atif Qadir 20:50
Yeah. So the core user groups, the people that will get the most benefit from this are developers, investors and brokers. In addition, this makes a lot of sense to service providers like lawyers, as well as incentive agencies. So all of them, we consider part of the the ecosystem for retest.
Gabriel Petersen 21:12
Awesome. So if you’re a developer and investor or broker, you can go to this platform, you can find an incentive. And it’s not. It’s not geographically limited, right? I mean, this is all across the entire US, doesn’t matter what what Metro, you’re in what municipality you’re in, you’ll be able to find some kind of incentive, if it exists, that will work for the project that you’re working on
Atif Qadir 21:33
that right. That is the goal. And right now, it’s New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, we started with a tri area because that’s that’s where my team is. That’s where all of our network, personal relationships, our network are all all there. So we plan to grow. We’re going to add Pennsylvania, Massachusetts in California next, and then we’ll add other states based on our priorities order. With the website, it’s read this.us. So r ed is t.us. R ed is to us. And that’s that’s our platform. Awesome. Well,
Gabriel Petersen 22:05
I personally hope you, you know, push this all the way to the to the finish line where everybody gets to use it. Because I mean, you’re absolutely right. getting something like that you need a lot of right now it sounds like you need a lot of effort, you need a lot of analysts lawyers to actually do it. And that basically limit limits it to the people who already have, you know, all the money in the world, and they don’t need any of these benefits in the first place. So hopefully, this can kind of democratize it and allow the people on the bottom to kind of benefit from these incentives. So congratulations for that. That is awesome that you guys are doing that.
Atif Qadir 22:38
Yeah, seven, put my white hat on now doing the right things.
Gabriel Petersen 22:42
I love it. All right. So we’ve, we’ve kind of gone through both your businesses. You’re a developer, you’re developing software. Now. I mean, you’re you’ve had quite a bit of experience. You were an architect. You bought and sold or sounds like you haven’t sold which is great. You bought rental houses and you’ve done development work. So you’ve had experience in the field out there. I’m sure you’ve got stories. We all know real estate, it’s it’s up, it’s down. It’s a roller coaster, sometimes you’re on top sometimes around the bottom. Take us to one of the points where you were on the bottom, where you ran into something that was just completely unexpected. And then tell us the lesson that you learned from that?
Atif Qadir 23:23
Yes, so I should represent write a book about everything you’re not supposed to do on your development deals. Where do you get started? I think the biggest one is this reality that what is written in code is still subject to people’s interpretation. So what that means is that if you believe in your architect of record and your design team believes you are complying with the law, and a logical person reads it and says yes, that makes sense. Whether you’re talking about your ability To extend on a building and not need a variance because of XYZ, or your ability to keep a apartment, below flood level because of XYZ. It is a very good idea to have an informal conversation with the person who actually is the arbiter of that code before you go and have your entire design team, make all of this stuff and you go present to something, something to someone that they’re going to say no to anyway. So I think, for me, the low point that that I had is on both of my first projects, both of those things happen in very different ways, but essentially was the same exact story. And I think for me in both of them, when you look at the last time, all of the carriers associated with that. And then the reality that starting a second time over you have to like you have to get the energy and the momentum back again after all gets halted. I think it’s a real challenge. So I think for both projects, they both had the same bottom at different times. And I would say that was probably the toughest is to realize that no matter how perfectly you’ve planned, no matter how everything is set up, always try to think about whatever it is that you’re trying to do and how it can go wrong. And the B and C and D plan you need to have ready, because if you don’t, the consequence, more time, more money.
Gabriel Petersen 25:26
Absolutely. And you’re absolutely right. I mean, when you run into problems like that, it’s really hard to gain the momentum back. So you want to be able to see into the future. You want to be able to plan for any contingency that might occur. And it sounds like the major lesson you learn there. codes are subject to interpretation. So make sure that you’re actually talking with the person who is in charge of that code. Yeah, exactly. Awesome. Okay, so that was your trough. Now take us to the top. Why did Why do you keep going in this? Why do you love real estate? What gets you up in the morning?
Atif Qadir 25:56
So I’d say this, I think for me, it there’s this Kind of conundrum for smart people that and I guess mostly but everybody is that if you put your mind to it, you have the ability to almost do any career that you want. So, in college, the two kind of things I was thinking of was either being a doctor like every other Indian person, or being an architect and doing something different. And for me, there was this, it wasn’t well formulated at that time. But it was this reality at one I looked around the real estate industry and big famous developers in New York City real estate. There was literally nobody like me, that looked like me that was doing any of this stuff, whether they were government, Senators, nobody in public policy, or real estate that looked like me. And I as an 18 year old at MIT, I this notion that there was something something wrong with that. I wasn’t sure what it was, but something was wrong with that. So, Adam being the umpteenth, the umpteenth surgeon in America, that’s Brown. I thought maybe let’s let’s just go this this other path. And I think for me the real the real high point is realizing that there is so much impact that you can have when you bring a fresh perspective to to a particular venue. Let me give you an example. So for being a city planning Commissioner in Hoboken, so this is a city that is presumed very NIMBY, it’s very opposed to development. And the challenge it ends up becoming is that it’s a city increasingly, for the rich, you It’s impossible to buy something in Hoboken and you’re trying to if you’re trying to get started, and what I’m really proud of from the public perspective is when we did our our reexamination of our master plan, me and a few other the the planning commissioners really push this idea of rezoning large chunks of our city to allow for higher density. So people that may not have means people that are buying their first home that might be first generation or anything else can buy that first piece of the American dream and Hoboken and not have to go 40 miles away to actually do it. So I think for me, that’s the really inspiring thing that makes me keep on going is that there should be more people that that are millennials more people that are Gen Z that should be involved in government, there should be more immigrants, more women where everybody should be everybody should be. I think that’s like the thing that keeps me really excited from the public perspective. And I’d say from the private perspective, it’s the reality that like all like all the mistakes that I’ve made, all the errors, all of the things I should have done differently. Over the past two or three years now I’ve been able to build a machine that actually makes sense with all the right, the right team members, the right things, and the right processes. So now, I’m like, 3037, I have another 40 years ahead. So if I build two or three projects a year that’s like what like 100 projects, more townhouse and things do I don’t ever really want to do some huge mega skyscraper. That’s not really what I want to do. But amongst the next hundred projects, I think, not only am I going to do something really good for the cities that I work in by focus, I focus on historic redevelopment projects that I can make some bank to I think that’s what makes me really excited from the private perspective as well.
Gabriel Petersen 29:04
Absolutely. So having an impact is I mean, it sounds like both having an impact and being able to, to financially to build something that is financially viable. That’s what gets you up. And it’s I mean, that kind of resonates with me as well. Especially like this mobile home park that we’re buying now. It’s in bad shape right now. But we have plans to make it amazing. So having that impact, seeing how it’s how it’s impacting the people around you, that is, in my opinion, the best the best benefit that you get out of real estate for sure.
Atif Qadir 29:33
Yeah, I think that is like what you’re doing is such a cool thing, because the reality is that people whether you’re in New York City or in other urban areas is always this idea that a lack of affordable housing is because of the real estate industry because of developers not doing the right thing. When in reality there are so many avenues towards housing that is affordable like with a small a, not with a big a and I think more home parks are one of those things that are so underappreciated as a way of starting to solve the affordability crisis that exists across our entire country.
Gabriel Petersen 30:10
Don’t get me started on that one. The reason that one of the main reasons people, a lot of municipalities don’t, you know, I don’t want to turn this into my thing, but a lot of the municipal municipalities don’t like mobile home parks because they don’t get the revenue from mobile home parks because the density, you know, they only get one tax dollar from it. There’s 50 families living on that model and blah, blah, blah. But I’m glad you said that, I appreciate it. I’m gonna move on here just a little bit. Actually, we are we’re nearing the end. We try to keep these to around 25 minutes and so we are nearing the end of our episode. So I do want to say thank you very, very much for coming on. I appreciated everything you shared with us today and I know everybody listening and watching did as well. On that note, we all need to receive things so if someone were to bring you something What would you want to receive
Atif Qadir 30:59
I Besides, like a Ferrari or a million bucks,
Gabriel Petersen 31:02
yeah, exactly like a deal. makaan
Atif Qadir 31:05
Yeah, yeah, I would say. So this would be released about a month from now you’d say two months from now?
Unknown Speaker 31:11
Probably about a month. Yep.
Atif Qadir 31:12
About a month, I would say, from the readers perspective, I’ll say for the amount of properties perspective, that is generally family and friends, investors. So it’s people that I know if someone is interested in finding out how to get started and do their own thing, I love talking to people and I love going to share my experience. So that’s something that I’d love to share. If not, like take from at least give my experience. I think from the city government perspective, anybody that has any interest whatsoever about doing anything in public service, whether you’re gonna be a dog catcher or run for Senator, whatever, I’ve not only done for my for being a city planning Commissioner. I’ve been a part of three progressive upstart underdog campaigns that actually won So that would be like love to share people and get new information. And now it’d be asked I’d say is for ritas, where we’re finishing our pre seed rounds. So if you’re into prop tech, you are thinking about the future of real estate now it’s going to change talk to us because we’re actively raising money.
Gabriel Petersen 32:14
Awesome, I love it. And on that note, if anybody did want to get in contact with you, what would be the best way for them to reach out
Atif Qadir 32:21
so the best way would be to go to either the websites so it’s a Monmouth properties.com a ma n at properties calm or to go to realist.us r ed is t.us and just go to the Contact Us sections that’ll come directly to me.
Gabriel Petersen 32:39
Perfect. Well, you heard it guys if you want to get in contact with a TIF, reach out on a monat properties calm or reddest.us either one of those will get you to him. Again, a TIF thank you very much for coming on the show. I appreciated it. I know everybody else appreciated it as well. And if you’re listening watching this Look forward to seeing you guys on the next episode.
Unknown Speaker 33:03
Awesome. Thank you.
Gabriel Petersen 33:08
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